Echo is becoming a Cop - Criminal Only City
I saw that the taxi payouts have been reduced again. People used to hunt, fish, deliver pizzas or work another legal job and could still survive in the city. There even was a taxi company. The big legal hunting community, which I was a member of back then, is %100 gone now. We had a community, people were becoming friends, were showing off their new camo outfits, new offroad vehicles. But all of that and the other legal ways to earn money are gone. We are pushed to either become a criminal or a cop.
Do we HAVE TO be a part of the criminal expansion pack? There is no legal money to be made outside of becoming a cop that can get near as becoming a criminal. And I'm really tired of the answer "RP it out". Everyone is trying to rob a bank, a store. I constantly get kidnapped, and the store "doesn't work" and they let me go. It's funny at this point. Don't get me wrong, criminals do make the city fun. But there were tons of people with different legal jobs and hobbies, tons of different characters. Nearly all of them either left, became a criminal or a cop. I've been in echo nearly 1,5 years and I'm really tired of being pushed to become a criminal.
By the way, I don't think anyone is expecting to get massively paid. I'm not expecting to get the same amount of money as a criminal who steals cars and takes risks. Of course the payout of 1 hour of, let's say hunting, should not be 10k. But there should be a sweet spot. The aim of the post is not to aggregate or annoy anyone. I was really hyped about the criminal expansion update even though I don't do any of that. Because it brings new things. But let's bring those new things without excluding other communities which used to flourish.
Throughout my 1.5 year in Echo, I have tried a lot of non-employed legal ways of earning money. I would love to discuss, talk, negotiate if it is my place to do so. I would assume a lot of people feel the same way.
Log in to comment and vote
Comments10
Flawws
Mar 23, 2024
We appreciate your feedback here and we are working hard on a new civilian expansion update.
Tan Serdar
Apr 5, 2024
Thank you Flawws :)
purpleferretz
Mar 8, 2024
might just be me, but removing the 'operating an unlicensed business' charge would help improve civ life. the charge just screams "i wanna charge the guy on yellow pages advertising a pawn shop because i know they buy/sell stuff for pawn runs and if i can't charge for every little thing i'm big mad"
wmzombie
Mar 8, 2024
You are allowed to operate a small business in LS. The unlicensed business charge is more for business owners that lose their license or don't renew it
thearcticfloof
Mar 15, 2024
I highly agree.
Reading some of the replies too, I think a cap in earnings would assist with any "abuse" but we would just need to be cautious to balance that with each job. Not one single cap for all, but rather a dynamic cap depending on job. A job that would take longer to do and get paid might have a higher cap (such as the city water & electric which can sometimes take a full IRL hour before getting your first payment... AND ITS UNDER 3 DIGITS... but I digress...)
Speaking of balancing, I really feel like the work that is put in to each job needs to be taken in to account. For one, jobs that require something before being able to perform that job should pay a bit more than jobs that dont (ie: licenses, equipment, etc). Also time should be taken in to consideration as well, for example the City Water & Electric job: I'm not sure if it is scuff, but it appears to ONLY pay when you come to a site where something is broken and you have to fix it. I spent a little over a full IRL hour running from site to site and testing until I finally came across one that had a break. I repaired the break and was so excited for my first payout because I was SURE it would be semi-decent. Nope. Not even a hundred. <- and it's things like that which make being a civ in this city extremely frustrating.
Now the argument to that seems to be that there are other "official" (non-side-jobs) that pay much better and while that may be true during the daytime, the job I work at pays by commission. I'm flying in city around 7pm MST and stick around until about 3 maybe 4am MST. During that time, seems like most people in city are either doing crim work or police/ems. No one seems to come by much at all so the money I earn from that job is nullified by the cost of food, drink, gas, advertising, and a rental to get around city. Obviously, you can't fix who gets in city and when, so ( shrugs ) ...
^ I'd like to reiterate what I've just said: The money I earn from that job is NULLIFIED by the cost of food, drink, gas, advertising, and a rental vehicle just to get around city.
I'm not trying to be a millionaire in RP. I'm just trying to make a living. I know we're trying to be realistic, but gawt dayum, do we really need to RP inflation?? I come to the city to get away from that stuff haha
suspiciouslystickysock
Mar 8, 2024
Echo staff has said their next focus is a big civ update, in the mean time if you work civ jobs and think they need adjusting instead of just saying oh this needs to be fixed give reasons why and how it could be fixed
People used to help by running civ jobs, working out the average payout and discussing with stuff but recently all you hear is X is broken fix it but with no actual useful feedback to devs
Tan Serdar
Mar 8, 2024
I'm literally offering a conversation to have a fix that satisfies everyone. I don't think what I wrote is "X is broken fix it". It has been broken by the "fix".
Ashley
Mar 8, 2024
A lot of the legal side jobs were nerfed because the payouts were abused. They are the prices now to avoid people constantly grinding it over and over.
You’ll hate the response but find connections in roleplay: there’s plenty of businesses hiring that you can make a living at.