Rework No knock Warrants
No knock warrants should be reworked as of late ive seen from both the PD and crim side providing little to no RP after the investigation phase. It almsot feels like every raid is a no knock at this point. this leads to a lot of hostility between PD and Crims as they are getting wiped of progress for an event that happened 2 weeks ago and leaving them Little to no chance to respond. it turns into PD standing around for an hour wishing for something to happen and it boils down into crims waking up and immediatly being faced with the fact that because they took a night off they had no way of stopping it.
A fix I can see for this is allowing pd to Lock down a property preventing crims from removing items and allowing the crims to understand they are getting raided. Maybe lock down the property for 1-2 days and then commence with the raid. Would this make the most "Sense" realistically probably not but this keeps the integrity of the raid on PDs side alive and helps the crims grasp whats happening.
No one wants to get offlined
Not all raids end in a shootout
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stainedrug
Oct 10, 2023
Wagwan! There is definitely a happy medium to be reached here for sure. I'd like to throw in my two cents just for funsies. I'd like to preface this with "Remember this is just a video game! We cannot expect to get super real with these search warrants due to the limitations that police have to enforce the laws within the server." We also had this system before, and it killed raids.
Note: The investigation side of PD is strenuous at best. The number of steps that happen before that no knock warrant is what most players don't see. Thats why it takes time. The subpoenas, the Connecting the dots, compiling all the information required for a valid and legal search warrant can sometimes be daunting with the limited tools that we have at our disposal. Remember that while a detective is doing all of this, that's one less cop (often 2 or three working a case) that is on the street answering your calls and your robberies. 90% of Search warrants are from criminals just being plain sloppy. (Tweeting, Insta, or just not trying to hide) The burden of proof for the police IC to raid your home is already much higher than it was in the past.
Server Health: As previously stated, we have given plenty of notice through DMs in the past of "See attached raid notice" and then suddenly a block we have seen no activity on for the past few hours is teeming with life, amped up players ready for war. Thats fine and dandy, but it affects others roleplay, that search warrant goes from 30 mins to an hour+ standoff with both sides attempting to bleed the other side dry with a huge number of resources. During this time, Banks, stores, 911s go unanswered and other crims sit in a cue forever waiting for the police to clear up. Additionally, the players that go into their property, clear out their guns and log off, which is much easier now with only class 1s (My favorite thing is entering a house to see floating guns, gross). Yes, we can report it, but again, now about 20 players+ have had their roleplay ruined.
Player choice: When we look at this logically, No Knocks are designed for gang affiliates and violent offenders. the police have a responsibility to preserve and maintain life. If they can safely execute a search warrant without initiating a gun fight, it is their duty to do so. Most people that are known affiliates or who have a history of shooting at the police, by themselves a no knock. ergo, the No knock is a result of your actions as a player. Be smarter with your criminal decisions. Police won't ask for a no knock for people that aren't violent offenders or linked to a violent gang. (If CID is raiding bald gang, it's going to be a knock warrant, vs if CID is raiding triads, which would obviously be a no knock)No knocks are so high because y'all are so damn violent lol. There are plenty of well-known criminals that CID simply cannot touch because they cover their tracks so well, and we cannot obtain any evidence against them. The argument of "wiped of progress for an event that happened 2 weeks ago and leaving them Little to no chance to respond." Its literally the job of the PD to do this, your chance to respond is to win the legal battle or be smarter in the future with storing your illegal items.
The suggested fix: Rather than getting rid of No Knocks or making them "Rare". The DOJ can absolutely ensure that the offender is violent and/or affiliated with a violent gang before signing off on the no Knock. AND Make the No Knock notification in city. Detectives sitting at the door and saying "Did we email this person" is gross. Maybe a phone alert "Security camera shows activity" or something like that on the criminal's property once we arrive. Maybe they can purchase that from D8? I like the smart lock override idea but understand that there will still be no way for crims to prevent that once we initiate the raid, unless Devs allow it to be hacked. (Assuming they've bought smart locks from D8)
TBH once the search warrant is signed, and CID/SRT are on your property, your screwed legally anyway. You are either catching a warrant for obstruction/tampering, or a warrant for the items inside your property. Notifying a dangerous criminal that police are coming to their property is very silly, and makes no sense IC.
kotawastaken
Oct 8, 2023
Ill add some input as one of the Judges. We are aware that this has lately come up as a point on the talking list and we are addressing this through IC means. No need for much more conversations on it, we are just gonna approve it more rarely and see how it goes.
kotawastaken
Oct 8, 2023
Just realized my username is old on here, this is Kylo King.
Anonymous
Oct 21, 2023
As a lot has already been said here and multiple other places, I'll chalk it up to this:
Many, many people in the server feel the no knock warrants need to be reviewed and reworked. Obviously there's points to be made on either side of the fence, but I think the general consensus is that something needs to change. No knock warrants have little to no RP, and at the end of the day that's the entire point of Echo - to RP and enjoy ourselves.
MamaPrince
Nov 10, 2023
and as stated, just because it isnt providing RP to someone who isnt logged in, doesnt mean it isnt providing RP. There is lots of RP to be had between PD and DOJ.